I hate the term “women of color”
Since fucking when is my peach skin not a color? Why must I be excluded from a group of women?
Like excuse me. Who the hell came up with the stupid dynamic of calling people white and black in the first place?
Sorry that someone re-appropriated the word “colored” and took it from being a derogatory term to mean impure or non-white, to be something of the positive connotation its starting to have when the fairness-complex has started to subside in some circles.
When I was a kid I literally picked at all of my scabs on my arm so that I could see the lighter skin left by the scar. I hoped that if I repeated it enough, I’d be white like the rest of my friends. So I’m sorry that you feel excluded, thats how people of color in this country feel all of the time.
Hmm, how about the fact that ‘nude’ stockings, band-aids and other things are not the skin tone of People of Color?
What about ‘flesh’ as in ‘flesh tone’ crayons were never brown skinned people?
There’s a reason why up through the 20th century ‘colored’ was a label for water fountains, shopping counters and spaces for ‘people of color’.
'Colored' is a title forced upon people who weren't white because we weren't white.
As a brown skinned American, do I get anything without white people wanting it, even if it’s something I didn’t want in the first place? I mean, what the fuck.
The cultures of people of color are either packaged for consumption or called upon to fill cultural and spiritual voids of Eurocentrism.
ignore anyone who tells you otherwise.
No white girls?
Why? You do t think white girls should be told they’re beautiful?
The amount of white whine in the notes…it’s ridiculous.
Every time we ask for the inclusion of young girls and women of color in pieces similar to this, where everyone is white, we’re told
"If you want representation then make it yourself and shut up about this!"“Let the artist make whatever they want and include whoever they want! Freedom of expression!”
"If you need to see someone who looks like you in order to feel included then you are the real racist."
Yet all I see in the notes are:
"If you want equality you have to include EVERYONE including white girls and guys!"
“it’s pathetic that the only way you can feel good about yourself is by excluding others.”
No doubt they feel some type of way with their own bodies but what is dedicating a piece such as this to women who fall no where near the Eurocentric standards of beauty taking away from white women when they have so much representations and campaigns centered around them.~Eon
In case people like lifandiveira would like a simple explanation as to why white girls are not needed, go to images.google.com and type the word “beauty” and tell me what you get.
If you’re not blown away by the insanely disproportionate amount of white women depicted with a dash of women of color scattered about, then I don’t know what to tell you.
It is amazing how the exact same conversations happen again and again when women of color attempt to carve out space for themselves.
Even before I saw the notes I knew exactly what conversation I would find. This is beautiful and perfect.
You cannot say that you like Pocahontas. The genocide of my people is turned into a cartoon musical with a singing raccoon.
Then shown to children around the world. Thus ensuring the next generation remains relatively indifferent to the past and present conditions of indigenous people.
"I have gotten so many letters from girls and boys who were so excited and proud to see a Black woman performing one of their favorite characters, “Elphaba”, in the musical Wicked. I was in Wicked for nearly 2 and a half years and I learned so much during that time.. .it wasn’t always easy and I was so busy in my own experience of working at the Gershwin theatre that I didn’t truly imagine so many kids would be inspired.
"Oh, but the letters flew in, the artwork the fan sites, all the love that said "We’re so proud of you!" and "We can do it too!" I found out over the years that these things have meant alot to young people of color. "
Q:Hey I totally agree that there should be more POC princesses but it simply doesn't make sense to make Merida Hispanic or Elsa African. Just like it wouldn't make sense for someone to make Pocahontas white. Like it has everything to do with background and nothing to do with racism. I think it would be totally awesome if the next princess was a POC but I also want to watch a good movie so I want the background to match aswell. Like maybe a cool Spanish folk tale or something. That would be great!
Except Pocahontas is a real freaking person who actually existed and lived and Elsa is a fictional story that could literally be set anywhere in the world and still make sense.
Not really… places that are cold generally have people with fairer skin because they receive less direct exposure to the sun. With like the exception of Eskimos. That’s why POC generally live closer to the equator because their darker pigmentation is better adjusted to the amount sunlight their skin receives. So unless you set the story in a more modern time era, it wouldn’t make sense to make the characters of Frozen of darker skin tones.
(Also did you fail to notice that the winter in Frozen is *gasp* because of magic gone wrong??? A situation that could happen anywhere?!?! And doesn’t need to be set in a cold climate???)
A topic I can relate with, “you dont look latino” A born—with identity people want you to try out for…
People have always been eery about what “i am”. To me, i am just the darkest person in my family; so I think nothing of it. I always like to have people guess, the ignorant ones assume. The responsive have been:
Chinese. Korean. Philippine. Japanese. Colombian. Dominican. Saudi Arabian. Indian(India). Puerto Rican Guatemalan and Spanish?? Hondurian and Spanish? Italian?? The list grows everyday. I don’t walk up to people and ask them what they are?? So… What’s up?? People wait until its one on one. I HATE that people assume my “best qualities” MUST HAVE came from Europe…. Not even slightly!!
I love to dance and I will be out dancing ( because I’m at salsa) and someone will say, “Oh a gringa doesn’t dance like that, you MUST be Latina.”…
I am Cherokee and Creek Indian, African from the Americas and Cuban. All of it at the same time, not in pieces, or in blood quantum. I am who I am. People try to erase your ethnicity, your identity, your cultures when you don’t match to image that has been portrayed on TV to fit their expectations.
In the instances when POC say shit like ‘Oh I can’t stand white folk’ or ‘Damn white people’, they aren’t saying ‘Oh I think they are inferior, I want to humiliate them, abuse them, enslave them and wipe out their people!’, they’re saying ‘Damn, after a couple hundred years of white people thinking I’m inferior, humiliating me, abusing me, enslaving me, and trying to wipe out my people, I don’t wanna deal with them.’ The context is completely different.
Black women/ black trans women go through childhood being conditioned by society to believe they aren’t good enough to be a scientist, and yet they still make it. They go through early education being conditioned to the same. They go through high schools and colleges being conditioned to believe in this false unworthiness, and some (a very few) still make it. They make it to professional statuses that are meant to identify us as “now worthy” while still being conditioned to believe they’re not good enough because they are non-male and black.
It’s sad to think of but black female scientists have to be one of the most discouraged members of the scientific community, so when you see a black fem scientist it’s a great moment, it’s beautiful because just about every part of society throughout time tells them they can’t make it, they’re not supposed to be there, and they still make it only to be shitted on by cis straight white male supremacy. So frustrating just to think about, I can only imagine the hell that is experiencing all that. Trying to bloom only to have some dickhole blocking your sunshine cause I know for sure that if the opportunity, resources, communal support and solidarity was there.. black women as a whole would astound the whole world with how amazing they’d be at science due to all those centuries of repose under racist and sexist idealism within these communities.
I’d like to bring up my godmother, her name is Jean Andino and last year she won a Fulbright award for her work in biochemical science. She’s a boss, and even though she’s proud of me and my BFA, I still kind of wish I’d completed school with a BS instead. She’s I think Puerto Rican and black and has succeeded in science. She’s a boss, she’s a genius and she’s incredibly kind.
Her biography from Arizona State University’s website:
Dr. Andino’s research focuses on chemical kinetics and mechanisms as applied to the fields of atmospheric chemistry, air pollutant sensing, and air pollution control. She worked at Ford Motor Company characterizing the reactions taking place on novel materials to be used in catalytic converters and determining the air quality impacts of fuels and alternative fuels. Dr. Andino has published numerous journal articles and is a registered professional engineer. Dr. Andino has also received numerous prestigious national awards, including the National Science Foundation CAREER award at the start of her second year as a professor.
Body Positivity for the win.
9 out of 16 are WoC from 9 different nationalities - Spanish, Native American, Middle Eastern, Greek, Hawaiian, South African, Indian, African-American and Chinese.
Even the “white” people don’t all come from the same place - French, Irish, American, Scottish, German, and English.
I’m really sorry if I left out YOUR nationality or YOUR body type, but if I kept going to include every single possible woman in the world I’d never have time for sleep or school work.
The Black Avengers - Darryl Ayo
This comic book “Mighty Avengers” is essentially “the black Avengers,” because most superhero comics feature mainly white characters and this one features not one, not two but several black characters. Mighty Avengers also features white characters but it is a huge leap into a vision of reality that comic book fiction has traditionally ignored: black people do things also.
Stories matter, fiction matters. Representation in stories helps to shape a culture and society’s view of people and peoples. Blacks have traditionally been excluded from mainstream cultural representation unless in subordinate and subservient roles–and even then, as members of an indistinguished mass of background figures. Society has been trained by culture to perceive black people as background data; set dressing, noise. Only intervening in real people’s lives to offer assistance or to present an obstacle/threat. Black characters often have no internal lives and if they do, their internal lives are exceptional in their vagueness and vacuousness. There is little thought or imagination expended on black characters and as such, society internalizes this shallowness and non-black people in real life tend to assume that blacks have shallow/hollow lives.
They look at us like we’re automatons.
Mighty Avengers is important simply in its existence because it shows black characters doing things. By extension, it works to override society’s perception of black people as non-active, non-entities. In most mainstream stories, black characters’ highest functioning capacity is as mild stimulus for non-black characters. Creatures on the sidelines. Possessed of more depth than animals by a slim margin. In this Mighty Avengers comic, black characters have ideas.
Spectrum has ambitions, Luke Cage has problems, Power Man has frustration. Besides having varying temperaments, the black characters in Mighty Avengers look different. Power Man is an all-out superhero, Cage essentially has no special uniform, Spectrum has gone from being a plainclothes superhero with no codename to adopting a full superhero getup. These are characters, not brown-hued robots. The way they look means something about them.
Additionally, the black characters do something else important: they interact easily with non-black characters. I don’t mean that the characters get along. Luke Cage and Power Man clearly clash with Spider-Man and White Tiger. What I mean is that their stories are intertwined and (for lack of a clearer term) integrated with the stories of non-black characters. This is particularly interesting because it raises a binary issue of how black characters might appear in fiction. On one hand, there is the idea of black autonomy, wherein black characters have minimal interactions with white and non-black characters to better focus on black stories. On the other hand, there is the idea of showing black characters as part of a diverse world with other characters of other backgrounds.
In some ways, insisting that black characters must be shown interacting with non-black characters is an insult after decades of insisting that white characters don’t need to interact with anybody else at all. The desire to look upon the page and see black characters acting completely independent of a white world is strong in the black community. Some people derisively call refer to this as creating a “ghetto” for black stories. I see it as creating a home for black stories.
To the opposite point, it seems important to show a general audience of people who still fear blacks and regard persons of African descent as threatening, that black people can and do routinely interact with whites and other non-blacks.
These two story types are equally valid but they underscore an important cultural point: there is more than one “Black Story” and multiple versions of “The Black Experience” are urgently required both for the black communities and for the non-black communities.
Representing a useful breadth of black experience is more than one story can handle. Which is as it should be. Mighty Avengers is a good start but the objective of “increasing diversity” must ultimately result in a multitude of different stories and ideas and focuses and themes.
I enjoyed this discussion on black characters that Darryl presented. It is influenced specifically from The Mighty Avengers book, which I have no opinion on having not read it (that part’s interesting too) but this in an important discussion. How do black character influence and interact with the rest of the world, but also how are black characters seen by white creators and white characters.
From Josie and the Pussycats, meet Valerie Smith! I’ll let Wikipedia do the work…A headstrong African-American young lady, Valerie performs back-up vocals (in the comics and the movie) and occasionally sings lead (nearly always in the TV series) for the Pussycats. She is also the group’s main songwriter. In the comics, she plays the bass; in the cartoons, she plays tambourine. She is the character who saves the day the most often, thanks to her street smarts and her mechanical and scientific genius. Valerie is notable as the first African-American cartoon character on a regular animated television series.
Here’s an interesting tidbit about the cartoon version of the character, voiced by the late and great Patrice Holloway…In 1970, [Patrice Holloway] auditioned for producer Danny Janssen, winning the part of Valerie Brown in Josie and the Pussycats, alongside Cathy Daugher (Josie) and Cheryl Ladd as ditzy drummer Melody. Patrice therefore had the distinction of being the first African-American to voice the first African-American regular series character on cartoon TV. However, William Hanna and Joseph Barbera balked at Patrice’s involvement, demanding she be recast and that Valerie become Caucasian. It’s worth noting that, in the original comic, Valerie was always intended to be African-American.
Janssen refused to back down, resulting in a 3-week standoff between the producer and Hanna-Barbera. H-B finally relented, allowing Janssen to keep Patrice in the show, and keeping her character African-American.
This is another show that needs to be rebooted. As long as Cree Summer doesn’t voice Valerie because hey, there are more black voice actresses besides Cree Summer.
ANNNNNNNNNNNNNNNND I didn’t know any of that. Sheesh. What a great story!
One of my dreams is to work on a Josie and the Pussycats show, but I think the rights are a mess or something.
I always wondered why Melody had those little musical notes in her speech bubbles when she talked. I always found them kind of distracting.
And then, in 2010, Marvel Comics presented a Spider-Man (the ‘Ultimate’ version) who was 13 years old and brown. To see Spider-Man pulling his mask over a tiny brown chin – to see a boy with short curly hair sticking to the ceiling of his bedroom— well, something happened. Dagim has been Spider-Man for two Halloweens in a row. He takes a bath with his Spider-Man and a toy killer whale. He has Spider-Man toothpaste and a Spider-Man toothbrush. If Spider-Man offered medical coverage, I think he would want that, too.
I thought for a while that my son would never be interested in my comics. I was afraid they would just represent another club he couldn’t join: all those big-jawed white guys with their hair parted to the side. But thanks to Spider-Man, my son imagines himself jumping on giant robots and saving the city. I hear him doing that behind the door of his room.